#28, Lenny Pham, Citrrus/Yext

In this episode John interviews Lenny Pham, a former co-worker and founder of Citrrus, a firm he and his friend Jason sold to Yext, a tech unicorn. They cover moving from app dev to design and mobile. They also discuss selling to a much bigger and faster growing firm, embracing mobile, and learning how to grow out of a comfort zone.